Spinnak3r 3 yr. ago Sorry Gordons, but this seems to be the only way. In response to questions, TAN told The Pillar it is our practice at TAN not to discuss externally the details related to the discontinuation of particular works. * What Saint Bellarmine really said about Popes and Heresy. I said Ive reached out several times in the New Year w/ scarcely a response. We bring that up over and over on TNT. But youre not understanding that conciliar documents need to be interpreted under the construction most optimally faithful to Tradition, wherever possible. I dont care about the business model. And it aint gonna be clan chieftains Chris Ferrara or Steve Skojec or John-Henry Westen or Michael Voris or Patrick Coffin (who all preside over their own echo-chambers) either. He insists the allegation is important to the Catholic world, because it represents a trend he finds troubling. (4-14-20, 4:58 PM), It is fixable. I said nothing about you or your family on here and never would! Theyre conceptually different, THIS is the real issue. I've had temptations myself I think I've treated Pope Francis a little bit harshly, when I've spoken about him, partly because I want to keep something interesting. Timothy had tweeted earlier in the day on April 13th, at 4:34 PM and 5:33 PM: Regarding@TaylorRMarshall: Im happy to chat, do a show, slap high fives and come together about the (majority) stuff we agree on OR do a civil show about the (minority) stuff we disagree on. I figured Id go privately to the publisher. (4-12-20: Easter Sunday, 6:25 AM), Shots fired by Retrograde Gordon Bros against Marshall. But now and then, a high-profile reactionary actually becomes more diabolically self-consistent (though further from the truth) and ventures over the line. Catholics are drama queens[.] It had become clear we didnt agree about Taylors evolving position on the SSPX, but I wished to continue: we were still bringing souls to the Church together, which matters most to me, Timothy Gordon (Rules for Retrogrades Show), 28-page side-by-side comparison of excerpts from his own manuscript and his sister-in-laws, who released an episode of his YouTube show Thursday about the disagreement over the book, Tim was fired in June 2020 from the Catholic high school where he taught religion, McCarrick charged with sexually assaulting teen in Wisconsin, amid controversial AG probe. Your email address will not be published. I did all of the work. I reached out to Tim this morning. (7:15 PM), My brand CANT be damaged by defending the ONE HOLY CHURCH against outsiders who claim my Sunday obligation isnt fulfilled if I attend novus. ], Update: called Taylor a little bit ago to wish Happy Easter Monday and bury the petty squabbles. You get the picture. (4:02 PM), Why all the handwringing about civility? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. If youre tired of politically correct mediaspeak, you want to see God back in the public square, and youre not allergic to having a laugh, you will love this podcast. Marshall: theyre accusing him of the canonical delict of heresy. Taylor Marshall is a heretic and a schismatic. Acta non verba. It is sheer blatant hypocrisy for him to also say that no one can judge the Pope. Its intellectual. Civil discussion is whats needed and you wont even respond to me, privately or publicly. I think Im a great champion for women. Gordon Dalbey. Certainly, God gives sufficient grace to everyone to avoid all grave sin and to do His whole will. He wasn't just a teacher, he was a department chair, and popular with the area's conservative Catholics. Without them we would be without the Sacraments. In this video, I address the recent controversy surrounding Taylor Marshall's comments on the SSPX, Dave and Tim Gordon's reactions to it, and arguments that. Ego kills. Please say a prayer for me. RoP [Right On Point] is a perfect forum for this. God allowed this. I await your reply, Taylor Its sophistical to claim (ever) that its too late for civility. Now lets review the teaching of the Church on the subject of the papal gifts of immunity from error and a never-failing faith. (9:46 PM), No worries at all. Look at what the Church says on the matter: [link] (4-12-20, 9:43 PM), Debating an issue is fragging? You are wrong on divorce and remarriage, and absolution and Communion for people living in objective sin. But David said his brothers argument misses the point. Of course, they are no ordinary brothers. erred by receiving the Eucharist from the SSPX on Easter; regular parishes are widely shuttered and there was no other possibility of receiving the Holy Eucharist. From what I understand, Tim fulfilled his shows and is now doing his own thing. Reaching out to a brother in Christ is ALWAYS good advice. Timothys brother David (words in purple below) apparently started the current controversy with this tweet: This mainstream trad Catholic dalliance with the schismatic SSPX (canon 751) is beginning to endanger the souls of the faithful and it needs quashing with dispatch. Thus, when there are disagreements, how can two mini-popes with their little online fiefdoms resolve a difference? Is there actually a breaking point? The pope is a valid pope, but only worthy to be bashed and lied about week in and week out. However, around Easter of 2020 (during the pandemic), I found a bunch of people suddenly debating each other in Catholic . (10:21 AM), Honestly: All I care about is the truth. The original story was that he was apparently leaving to focus on his own podcast series or something like it and that it was a relatively amicable departure. Its practically sedevacantist.. He didnt. (5:07 PM), Im not convinced SSPX is in schismatic! . The brothers interpret their dispute over Ask Your Husband very differently. He injects these fascinating interviews with his own distinctive blend of depth and levity. Mind your business Steve. (9:50 PM), Clarify where correct; apologize where incorrect. Ask Your Husband was pulled after David Gordon accused his brother and sister-in-law - the books author - of plagiarizing a chapter from his own unpublished work. (3:02 PM), [DorotaG had tweeted (4-12-20, 11:01 PM): My bishop in endangering my soul and the boot licking FSSP is nowhere to offer a real mass. Bestselling author of "Infiltration" and 10 other books. Its meant to take away mans headship, his properly ordered headship, and it's also meant to take away masculine and feminine roles as assigned to husband and wife., A decline of male headship, he said, has led to the culturefalling too. It is not submission to acknowledge that Pope Francis is the Pope. No one who considers the Pope to be a heretic also submits their mind and heart to the teaching of that same Pope. Something happened to men in the last 50 years. What would a resurrection of men look like? My brand CANT be damaged by defending the ONE HOLY CHURCH against outsiders who claim my Sunday obligation isnt fulfilled if I attend novus. Do any have a Mandatum from their bishop to teach? Tim, who released an episode of his YouTube show Thursday about the disagreement over the book, told The Pillar that his wifes text was influenced by his brothers research and written work on feminism. Such was my purpose for my rejoinder. I was being snubbed. And that he committed a severe public detraction of Tim. For their good and mine and all of us, Im officially ending this nasty Twitter feud. Tim Gordon has nearly 40,000 YouTube subscribers, and his weekly livestreams regularly draw tens of thousands of viewers. Unofficial theme song for Dr. Taylor Marshall's "TnT" videos.Clips from Taylor Marshall youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/Taylor0Marshall/videosN. I used to believe this nonsense as well. Dr. Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon of the smashing TnT podcast (Taylor Marshall and co-host Tim Gordon) and YouTube channel join me to talk about the death of men and how it has affected the behavior of the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. Everyone KNOWS what the modernists were trying to do. Dr. Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon of the smashing TnT podcast (Taylor Marshall and co-host Tim Gordon) and YouTube channel join me to talk about the death of men and how it has affected the behavior of the . If they try and publish this elsewhere, it will be over my dead body. I used to believe this nonsense as well. The plan, Marshall explained, was to speak about what they saw as a strange alliance between "politically correct secularists" in Europe and North America and the Muslims Marshall and Gordon. Thats why. Marshall: Honestly, Tim, I think Ive said this before, this statement bothers me more, I think its more heretical, more grievous than anything in Amoris Laetitia. The CPDV my conservative Catholic translation of the Bible, from the Latin Vulgate into English, is available at Amazon.com in Kindle format and online here. Catholic micro-celebrity is wholly meaningless and mostly fruitless. I recognize Pope Francis as the Pope. They put their faith in strong men. My Podcast link: TAN added the footnote, but did not remove before publication reference to a particular source Stephanie had asked be omitted. Chows China visit: Our man on the mainland, or just a man in the middle? Feminism is an attack on the God-given structure of the family the patriarchal headship. Submit your mind and heart to the Vicar of Christ, as to Christ himself. . I think it comes dangerously close. Yes, Dave did work hard, Tim said of his brother, the person who was first on [feminism] was Dave Gordon. But after the fact of our sinfulness, our fallenness, our brokenness, given that many persons are weak in many ways, and so cannot bring themselves to accept the Catholic religion, God permits them other paths to salvation, which are nevertheless always through Christ and His Church (even though they may not realize this). I was reading an article about a Florida proposal to install anonymous Jesus mingled with sinners throughout His earthly life. Or I could say women need to be in the home because I hate them and I don't want to see them in society., Its silly to say that Dave Gordon is a misogynist and its rash, imputing to me a motiveIts as silly as saying that Im racist because I dont believe in affirmative action. When it was published in February, you might have expected that a book called Ask Your Husband: A Catholic Guide to Femininity would be controversial because of the content A reading of Sacred Scripture and Catholic doctrine which argues that women shouldnt work outside the home, and owe their husbands a robust version of marital obedience. Of course, some so-called religions have no substantial good in them. You are wrong on divorce and remarriage, and absolution and Communion for people living in objective sin. Any Catholics who says about the Pope: I resist him to his face is a schismatic. You said precisely about a schismatic slur. Calling FSSP bootlicking (as many who were supporting your tweet were doing) IS fragging. She reads the Bible like a good fundamentalist: literally and legalistically. Press J to jump to the feed. Unfortunately, he ceased to be Catholic in 2019, when he committed public formal schism by saying, about Pope Francis: I resist him to his face. Honesty check time[.] I cant fully access Taylor Marshalls tweets because he blocked me, but I can get at some: I am grateful to the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X, by whom our Marshall family received the Resurrected Body of Christ on this Easter Morn. (Part 1), Francis Delalieu Embraced the Two Greatest Commandments. Podcaster and YouTuber. In the course of the discussion, Marshall commits public heresy and schism. Your email address will not be published. . The SSPX equaling formal schism stuff is wrong, as far as I know. He used the huge analytics boost his channel got from TNT and then ditched me, presumably cuz Im not Trad enuf for biz expsn. For the penalty for formal schism is automatic excommunication, making him also unworthy to receive Communion. The good part is that its NEVER too late to make up. Why all the handwringing about civility? And I think theres some really bad advice in there.a lot of it was silliness.. Please review Rule 4 and this post before making a top level comment: I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. All of us, me included. Even an atheist will acknowledge that. Learn how your comment data is processed. Mind your business Steve [Skojec]. Gotta be two-sided though. (9:16 PM), To all those who believed that I was criticizing his/his familys reception of the Eucharist from the SSPX rather than the implicit invitation for the less-educated faithful to frequent SSPX liturgy, note this was not my intention. David, author Stephanie Gordons brother-in-law, told The Pillar that crucial sections of Ask Your Husband were plagiarized from his own unpublished critique of feminism. This sounded very familiar. You are wrong on all of these things. The SSPX is the only church in town that is not a total joke and does not desecrate the eucharist. And it is contrary to the above discussed dogma that no Pope can teach heresy or grave error, i.e. Justice demands that I set the record straight. Imagine being me in this situation. My Episode 71 interview with Rev. For Bishop Barron to refuse a debate with Dr. Taylor Marshall, simply on the grounds that Marshall wrote Infiltration, not only substantiates Marshall's argument that the hierarchy in the Church has been infiltrated, but also furthers a narrative of what I call the Episcopal Leviathan. Not just VC2. Irrelevant. Sorry to see him go, but pride goeth before a fall. It is fixable. You may not accuse the Pope of heresy. Its intolerable[.] I'm sick of the neutered emasculated tone that I'm forced to listen toThere's a method to my madness, he told The Pillar. No matter how many conservative Popes follow, if Taylor Marshall does not repent of his sin of rejecting the teachings and authority of Pope Francis, he remains a heretic and a schismatic, who sins anew every time he receives holy Communion. Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon are one of the funniest Catholic guys on Youtube. He didnt. It goes Scripture, patristics, scholastics, magisterium, modern magisterium. Im arguing that they failed by not clearly articulating their modernism, The issue is that the texts are to be presumed faithful unless specifically heretical, even if their drafters used weaponized ambiguity. There are certainly a few factors, as with all etiologies, but I speculate that his evolution regarding SSPX was probably one of them. Pope Francis: But some might ask themselves: but why is the Pope going to the Muslims and not just to Catholics? It had become clear we didnt agree about Taylors evolving position on the SSPX, but I wished to continue: we were still bringing souls to the Church together, which matters most to me, : Im happy to chat, do a show, slap high fives and come together about the (majority) stuff we agree on OR do a civil show about the (minority) stuff we disagree on. Dont act as if fringe groups and their leaders arent the mob w/ gang bosses on Cath twitter. . Youll see the term Catholic Used Book Service, which is my old side-business. Its all my idea the way I framed it and created it into an argument, into a cogent thoughtfor someone to waltz in and take that stuff that they don't know about, and to beat me to the punch publishing my own book, filled with my own research, its theft of years of my life.. You are living in objective sin and leading others into that sin, by your heresy and schism. (Erin Scott/Reuters) Timothy . Thats my ecclesiastical position. Kelly. They acted like old buddies and intellectual "colleagues." Two laymen with a youtube channel, spreading the news about the Pachamama dunker guy, etc. To all those who believed that I was criticizing his/his familys reception of the Eucharist from the SSPX rather than the implicit invitation for the less-educated faithful to frequent SSPX liturgy, note this was not my intention. Too many apologists charge ridiculous amounts to come and speak at parishes and conferences. One can only approximate how much one wouldnt have known if they hadnt seen someone elses citationsIn terms of the approximate remediability of pretending to know something you wouldnt have known if you hadnt read someones work but were going to research the same topic, how much of their sources would you have found?, Well when were talking about scripture and major encyclicals that pretty much everyone that knows anything about this knows, and you talk to the person for a long time, its really hard to come to a conclusion other than, yes, Steph would have known where to look in the scripture, because I knew. , and February 2022 marked the 25th anniversary of my blog. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Dr. Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon of the smashing TnT podcast (Taylor Marshall and co-host Tim Gordon) and YouTube channel join me to talk about the death of men and how it has affected the behavior of the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. But that influence wasnt plagiarism, he said. Or admit that you have fallen into grave sin out of pride in the brightness of your own thoughts. NOT TOO LATE! Its intellectual. Civil discussion is whats needed and you wont even respond to me, privately or publicly. We should be afraid were we to fail to work fraternally to walk together in life.. Thats the problem. Tim appeared regularly on Marshalls YouTube show until early 2020, with the pair calling themselves TNT - Taylor and Tim. Along with the Muslims, we are the descendants of the same Father, Abraham: why does God allow many religions? Lets take this offline and chat by phone later, yes? Wish ALL of them into the Kingdom of Heaven[. Vatican II is a valid ecumenical council,yet it is trashed all the time and regarded as fundamentally less authoritative than Vatican I and (especially) Trent: even though Pope Benedict XVI (the bitterly disappointing former darling: because he resigned), writing in 1985, made it clear that Vatican II and Trent have precisely the same authority. Weve said this over and over on TnT (TnT is his video series with Timothy Gordon.) The current dust-up has far more potentially serious . To prove his point, David produced a 28-page side-by-side comparison of excerpts from his own manuscript and his sister-in-laws. Not gonna tweet anymore on this, Agreed. This was (seemingly) entirely based on the dispute over SSPX. Look at what the Church says on the matter: Debating an issue is fragging? Always good advice grave sin out of pride in the middle into grave sin and to do but this to. 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