Go figure. If you over-stress it by blowing the nose off the jacket, it appears to peel back like a thin jacketed Hot-Cor, rather than supporting the mushroom. Both the NP & Accubonds hit hard, and are accurate, but my preference is the tip of the Accubond. Between my brothers and Dad our 25-06's have killed over 200 big game animals. FLAT SHIPPING! identical to the process that creates the bullets used in Fusion factory loads. Might I be confusing the AGS and the GS ? In fact, Nosler was responsible for starting the premium bullet industry. it more suitable for long range use. There is no definitive answer to this question as it depends on individual preferences and opinions. Interesting reading. "Placed correctly Swift A-Frames will reliably kill big bears. this bullet a higher ballistic coefficient (BC) than a flat base bullet, making why package the (essentially) same bullet in two packages? h4831-sc was much better than 4350 in her tikka. Location. Got a good deal so basically shot them of for the Brass. are they currently being marketed as a premium bullet? The Nosler partitions are OK, the Swift A-Frames are much better than the Nosler partitions. You don't need my opinion to know they are good bullets. I'm sure the GS are amazing, but until a partition let's me down I'll stick with what groups sub moa and kills fast. Bought some factory hsm loaded with 120 grand slams for the 257 weatherby. The Nosler Partition is a fantastic bullet; and, although it's virtually unchanged from the original 1948 design, it still gives high weight retention, wide expansion and deep penetration from nearly any angle, just as John desired. When using these bullets in a magnum cartridge, I do prefer a healthy amount of bullet weight to prevent premature breakup, but Ill certainly attest to dozens of whitetails that fell to a 165-grain Hornady InterLock from my .308 Winchester. At the shot, this buck ran in a circle and fell over. Back then I was buying powder by the pound can, primers by the 100 box and bullets a box at a time. Back then, I didnt keep or check weight retention in recovered bullets, but they seemed to hold together well. here I found my 2002 speer catalog: it says "the AGS starts with a solid bar of guilding metal to for a massive jacket that is twice as thick as our North American Grand Slams" "A stop shoulder is machined" " multilock serrations". Highly accurate cup-and-core, polymer-tipped and Partition bullets cover most bases, and new bonded bullets and several . It shoots the 154 gr Hornady Interlocks the best so far. When I ordered them last year they actually came in the Midway blue boxes they use for their seconds, but did say Speer grand slam. I've shot a least 20 animals with it in Africa, and never a problem. While it might not have eye-popping B.C. While I am not a user of Nosler products, they stand on their own merit. Another consideration is finding a bullet and load that your "Hard" bullets intended for Class 3 game may not achieve quick kills Then, when I started hand-loading, spent many years switching back and forth b/t the Speer Hot-Cor and Nosler Partition. The velocity and sd are what kill with the 270. The fact that Speer Bullets are so effective at defeating armor and stopping targets from falling makes them extremely effective. New Member, I have enjoyed all the posts from the site and hope to learn more about hunting in Africa. Is it a great choice for heavyweights such as brown bear and bison? My 280 was so so with 150-160 gr bullets. It is also a good performer, just . Glorifying excellence is inherently a rebellious act against mediocrity. Nevertheless, throughout the industry, the Sierra MatchKing still represents the benchmark by which all other match bullets are measured. The original design used two lead cores of differing hardness in order to mitigate overly rapid expansion. What are your experiences, good or bad, with the Nosler Partition or the Speer Grand Slam bullets on big game? rose the respected Speer Bullets, one of the major U.S. bullet manufacturers. accuracy. You might try buying them directly from Speer. Speer Grand Slam Hornady Interbond I'm not one of you, Skippy. If you are interested in purchasing a bonded bullet from Speer, it is best to contact them directly to inquire about availability and pricing. they apparently used to be such but I think it is quite misleading to market them the same (and use tyhe same name) as the old GS knowing that they've made signifigant changes "downward". I was reading recently that a lot of factory capacity has gone away from the slightly less common calibres and been given over to common stuff. Caliber The Hot-Cor was in effect the first bonded bullet, as it was a poured, not swaged, core. name to reloaders. just sticking to nosler partitions for smaller game and barnesx for bigger at those speeds. I thought wed start with this one, because I mentioned it in the above story, and its been putting meat in the freezer for more than 40 years. I cannot find a definitive answer to whether or not Speer makes a bonded bullet. where varmints are often hunted. The Swift A-Frame, Nosler Using the 165gr in a .30/06, I took a couple of whitetail and a boar (hog) with it. . Case length for the .280 is 2.540 inches (same as the .270) and a bit longer than the .30-06 (2.494 inches). I have experience with all three iterations. Speer has the 285 grain .375 Grand Slams for $14.99 per box of 50 with free shipping on $99 purchase. This requires testing the likely candidates at the rifle range from a bench No matter the powder charge groups range anywhere from 2-4 at 100 yards. When pulling it out, it looked like the perfect mushroom but the core fell out! recommendations. The Nosler Partition is a fantastic bullet; and, although its virtually unchanged from the original 1948 design, it still gives high weight retention, wide expansion and deep penetration from nearly any angle, just as John desired. With the old stag, which had been rolling in the peat while tending his hinds, facing head on at 245 yards, I leaned the forend of the graceful Rigby Highland Stalker on Hepburns pack, let my breath halfway out, gave the stag 6 inches of elevation and squeezed the trigger. Penetration, expansion and a quick, humane kill are characteristic of the InterLock. I hardly ever hear anyone refer to this bullet. The more I think about it, I'd probably opt for the Hornady 270 next time for plains gameperhaps short of eland. I have used the Speer Grand Slam for hunting, but only used . Some bullets, such as the Nosler Partition, are offered in many brands of The shank of the Grand Slam's tapered gilding metal jacket is up to 45% thicker than standard game bullets and a cannelure . The Grand Slam is also known for its high velocities and its flat trajectory. factory loaded ammunition, as well as to reloaders by their manufacturer. fwiw.I used the current 375 GS on a recent plains game hunt in RSA. I'm not sure that Speer has ever had their 'Grand Slam' program quite fully together. That being said, I have used the old style dual core GS on black bear several times with great results. I went from the NP's in my 7mm Rem Mag. The Speer Grand Slam is an overlooked choice in a market saturated with good designs. The Nosler Partition is unique in that it has a partition between the lead core and the copper jacket. price and performance. I plan on using the AB for most of my hunting this fall. bullet. I recently bought some boxes of the Grand Slams off Midway, mostly due to price. The rapid expansion of the Boat Tail delivers quick kills on medium size animals, such as pronghorn antelope and whitetail deer. Another consideration is finding a bullet and load that your rifle shoots well from the list of acceptable bullets for the type of game you seek. Their "heavy game bullets" are now all Trophy Bonded. For the 90 to 170 LB north east NC deer I was shooting with them they were a bit too tough of a bullet for my liking. I had the same experience this year on whitetail deer in Wyo. I used Speer bullets in my 257 years back, killed 2 of my best bucks with them, I wouldn't have any qualms about using them again. I much prefered the Grand Slams to Partitions, until the bean counters at Speer wrecked them -- Speer is basically calling a totally different bullet the "Grand Slam" and defrauding the shooting public. 9 Feb 2019: 145 Gr Speer Grand Slam from a 284 Win, frontal shot, downward angle on smallish whitetail buck. see mule deer's post above re: testing. ------------------To be old and wise..first you have to be young and stupid! The grand slam managed to penetrate through both shoulders of a Zebra standing broadside amd keep on going. A bonus of these three .25/06 loads is they hit within a deer's hair of each other at 100 yards and within 3 inches at 300 yards. I've read on multiple sites the 200gr Nosler Partition is the best for . The current version is really no different, IMHO, than the less expensive Speer Mag Tips. I like the Speer 145 gr size for all of the 7's for deer. I guess the partition is my go to bullet, doesn't mean I wouldn't try another. elk. In most cases, a conventional soft point bullet is the best Ok so as a lifelong hunter and hand loader I have always shot premium controlled expansion bullets. Will be interesting to see if Vista and the other companies will worry about doing any promos this year. rest like a Lead Sled to eliminate as much shooter error as possible and the Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Ive used the 160gr GS in my 7mm ..took my moose in2011 ..knocked him off his feet great bullet at a very resonable price. bullets due to military demand. With more than five decades of service, Speer Gold Dot is still the most dependable hollowpoint for law enforcement. The Deadliest Mushroom in the Woods has been Remingtons siren call since 1939. A Hot-Cor bullet is made by lion, grizzly bear, brown bear and polar bear. bullets of the time, such as the Nosler Partition. The NP is my go to hunting bullet aswell. The Nosler Partition is a type of bullet designed for hunting. I have some of the old 285 gr 375s. "Actually" the Mag Tip is a better bullet than the Grand Slam. A homogenous bullet with limited expansion may be the best all-around choice for Class 4 game and the Barnes TSX has an excellent reputation in appropriate calibers. Messages. If your quarry is deer, the Hot-Cor should be every bit as good. Bullets that I used to use the Mag-Tip in my 300 Savage until it was dropped a few years ago. was the GS made differently in the smaller calibers? 175 grain for my 7x57 and 285 grain for my 375 Ruger. Bullet expansion is controlled in the Hot-Cor by means of a what was the cut-off date of mfg? I know this may sound like a dumb question, but is there any way to identify the old style Grand Slams from the new style without destroying a bullet? In researching the speer grand slam vs the nosler partition it seemed that the GS was a bit tougher than the nosler. 150 Grand Slam 145 ELD-X 140 A-Frame 140 Partition 140 TSX 140 Accubond 130 Partition 130 TTSX 130 A-Frame All the above bullets will do what you need them to do without any drama. After your rifle/scope So far I've only shot paper and accuracy looks promising, especially in my Ruger #1 7x57. Odd thing is, I placed the core back in the jacket and pressed it together, it stayed! Many of the bullets listed for Class 3 game would also be good choices for hunting large, potentially dangerous predators, such as leopard, jaguar, A interlock does controlled expansion and a partition does penetration. https://www.shootersproshop.com/catalog ategory/2/, https://www.shootersproshop.com/loading -50ct.html. I went back to my Nosler Partitions, but I think the grand slams are decent bullets. So with one sight setting, a hunter carrying a .25/06 is ready to cover a lot of hunting ground, fast. and other large game weighing in excess of 300 pounds live weight. line is the Deep Curl bonded bullet. Of course in their case there it was one change after another. It is bonded because the components are joined by a hardened molecular structure that is bonded. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Bonded core bullets are all the rage, so new to the Speer The bear snapped at the sting of the bullet then ran into a line of dark alders as the sun set. I am a bit disappointed that the lead in the front half does not stay with the bullet. I don't know exactly when the 'good' ones were replaced by the new version. that are not prone to ricochet and are safe for use in semi-populated areas, jacket and core together, something like the Hornady InterLock in concept. And why use a premium bullet if you don't expect some possible stress? competes in the marketplace with the Sierra Pro Hunter, Remington Core-Lokt, . The jacket was found right under the hide on the ENTRANCE side, but the core kept on going and exited. There are exceptions, of course, such as the bullets designed specifically for very large game. I switched to Partitions about 40 years back, and never regreted it. I much prefered the Grand Slams to Partitions, until the bean counters at Speer wrecked them -- Speer is basically calling a totally different bullet the "Grand Slam" and defrauding the shooting public. I'm thinking about using some 145 grainers in my 7-08 this fall. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. If a bullet is not listed here, follow the manufacturer's cases as jackets. It was the first component bullet I ever loaded and hunted with. The Speer web site shows that the current crop of Grand Slams are designed with a very thin jacket up front that thickens progresively the further down the bullet and becomes several times thicker than average solid copper base underneath the lead/antimony/whatever the third metal is expansion chamber and a much sharper ogive angle but still . I like to buy Speer's, and every year it seems they have the promo that they will send you card for 20% when you purchase over $100, they are already the least expensive bullets to buy and that deal make them very hard to pass up. The Grand Slam was once a very complicated bullet with dual cores, but it now uses a single core of lead alloy inserted using Speer's Hot-Cor injection technology. I know that in theory, they are both designed to have a similar terminal effect (similar weight . are offered in diameters from .257-.458" and with various nose profiles, In addition, Hot-Cor is about half the price of Deep Curl. Their web site does not list the African Grand Slams, which IIRC were made with a tungsten core. RUGER: I just would not even bother to make a switch; I've lost count of the deer and elk I've shot or seen shot with Partitions, and switching to the Grand Slam would be, in my humble opinion, of no advantage whatsoever. Bruce, I've been waiting nearly twenty years for this thread. This rifle has a range of 22 fps and a muzzle velocity of 2820 fps. With a high ballistic coefficient, the steel-based Speer Bullet is known for its tough molecularly bonded construction. Hard to find a reason to pay more for the Grand Slam when the Hot-Cor is so effective. I just ordered 500 285 gr .375 Grand Slams @ 50% off, $.30 each. Haven't they also D/C'd the larger calibers ? The Mag Tip is the SAME jacket as the Grand Slam, but has a one piece Hot Core poured in it. The company is now owned by industry giant ATK, but still operates out of I used the old style Grand Slams back in the early 90's.They were great bullets.I've also shot 120gr Speer Hot Cores and 117gr Sierra bullets.I never shot any Nosler's back then,but they now have 110gr Accubonds,115gr Ballistic Tips and also Partitions.I don't have any 25cals anymore,but I'd give Noslers a hard look.I don't think you will find . 125 Grain. The Accubond was the end product of Nosler trying to get a bullet as accurate as their to be as reliable/tough as their Partitions. (2002-2003 I'd guess). the a-frame being a bonded bullet in addition to partitioned. Compared to a Hot-Cor Barnes, Berger, Combined Technology, Hornady, Nosler, Sierra, Speer, Swift, and Winchester. I shot a good size buck at 30 yards facing me in the chest. I think they do that to limit the amount of back orders they have to fulfill. My dad still has a 1970s-vintage box of .30-caliber, 180-grain MatchKings, with maybe 40 left, that hed reach for when a hunting rifle showed accuracy problems. [This message has been edited by bulldog (edited 10-07-2001). Combination hunts, such as for mule deer, black bear and In the early 90s I shot all my animals with Grand Slams because they were a Premium bullet compared to everything else that we could afford. The Hot-Cor is basically a soft point bullet with an exposed I bought a couple boxes of .358 250 gr SP bullets direct from Speer last fall and had them in a week. Both will work, the partition is a way better bullet. SAAMI length. I have used partitions for years, love the way they hang together for extra penetration. I'm good on the 120gr .257 Hot-Cor because when i found out they were going to drop it i bought enough to last me a lifetime because it's no doubt my favorite deer bullet from the 25.06. Just after World War II ended, he and Joyce Hornady were transforming spent .22 LR cases into bullet jackets. Lewiston, Idaho. I still have a few of the OLD STYLE .257 120 GS in case I need to shoot an elephant with my 25-06. The Partition is available from Nosler as "Blemished" for a lower price than the "good ones". $86.49. I have no experience with current production grand slams. I just don't see a good reason to go with Grand Slams for any sort of hunting use these days. Does Proto make bonded bullets? Nov 28, 2009. values, it gives a useable trajectory and retains plenty of energy out to sane distances. Use sandbags or a commercial rifle 190 Grain. This is simply common sense. Mar 12, 2023. Save my name and email to use for future comments. In fact almost all expanding bullets open so quickly that for all intents and purposes they're fully "mushroomed" by the time the rear of the the bullet disappears into the skin of the animal. For over a month now I have been trying to develop a 140gr Accubond load for my .270 with no luck. my "old" GS had a solid yellow box and my 2002 catalog still had the "old" models. I've never been able to tell the difference in killing potential from. The new grandslams kinda suck. The bullet had penetrated from chest all the way through smashing the right hip ball socket before coming to rest just under the hide. Standing over a double-crowned, 11-point stag in such an idyllic settingand with such a prestigious riflewas assuredly a highlight of my career. The Sierra GameKing and ProHunter boattail and flat base, respectivelyhave a good, thick jacket, and give good expansion and penetration. The 168-grain, .308-inch-diameter, boat-tail, hollow-point MatchKing, especially when loaded in the .308 Winchester, remains a major player. driven directly into the heart/lung area of game like red stag and elk, but may kills on small animals. 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